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Question about changing clues, etc.

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Question about changing clues, etc.

From: moonfishies3 (moonfishies3@yahoo.com) | Date: 2004-10-01 01:03:34 UTC
I went to check on one of my letterboxes last week and was pleased to
find more visitors! While my little family and I haven't been big
letterboxers by any means, we're very proud of the 3 boxes we have
placed over the years.

By the recent comments left in the box's book (placed in 1999), I've
noticed a trend, just this year actually, in which finders are
suggesting that I make my clues clearer/easier. I've been a member of
this group pretty much since its inception 6 years ago and not once
before this year has anyone ever suggested this to me regarding any of
my boxes. Sure, I feel bad if someone travels from afar to look for
my 3 little boxes and comes up empty-handed. I know first-hand the
disappointment in not being able to find a box. It's frustrating! I
want people to be able to find my boxes, YET I want them to be
challenged on some level. This particular box's difficulty is rated
as moderate, not easy, but once the right path is found, it's a walk
in the park. Literally and figuratively. So why should I change the
clues to make it even easier? To me that would be boring!

How do others feel about changing the clues of their boxes to increase
their findability? What's with 'boxers suggesting to placers that
they change their clues? What about the thrill of the find? Doesn't
that matter anymore? Is it all about the F count?

Nisa




Re: Question about changing clues, etc.

From: Suzy (CootiesRUs@msn.com) | Date: 2004-10-01 02:10:28 UTC
Hi Nisa,

I say to keep the clues just they way they are, especially since
others have found your boxes. I feel that there are people that
just like *to find boxes* and don't enjoy the thrill of the hunt.
My family actually prefer the more challenging and Mystery boxes
(try Der Mad Stamper's or Ryan's sometime!).

Happy Letterboxing,
Big Dog 2 of The Cootie Family

> How do others feel about changing the clues of their boxes to
increase
> their findability? What's with 'boxers suggesting to placers that
> they change their clues? What about the thrill of the find?
Doesn't
> that matter anymore? Is it all about the F count?
>
> Nisa



Re: Question about changing clues, etc.

From: dvn2rckr (dvn2rckr@yahoo.com) | Date: 2004-10-01 02:30:45 UTC
--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "moonfishies3"
wrote:
...

> By the recent comments left in the box's book (placed in 1999),
I've
> noticed a trend, just this year actually, in which finders are
> suggesting that I make my clues clearer/easier. I've been a
member of
> this group pretty much since its inception 6 years ago and not once
> before this year has anyone ever suggested this to me regarding
any of
> my boxes.

...
> Nisa

A few of us boxers out here were discussing the exact same thing.
In the past year we've received multiple comments from visitors
suggesting that we rewrite or alter clues altogether to make them
easier. My response has always been--if there's a glaring mistake
or a change in the terrain in which the box is hidden, then I'll
adjust the clues. If it's just because folks want 'instant
gratification' style clues then I don't waste my time. I encourage
folks (of all ages) to expand their horizons and place boxes with
clues that range from simple enough for a banana slug to follow to a
bit more difficult for a college student wanna-be to figure out--
using a myriad of different styles of clues along the way. I try to
weave history or a learning point in every clue I create, as well--
just to improve folks' future odds on Jeopardy or Wheel of Fortune.
Don't let the comments discourage you. Drive on and hope that other
boxers in your area place boxes with easier clues to give
the 'instant grat' crowd something to find. That'll save your boxes
for the folks who welcome a bit more challenge in life and may even
cut down on the amount of box maintenance you have, as well.

dvn2r ckr


RE: [LbNA] Re: Question about changing clues, etc.

From: JuneMcAllister (nfmoon@mindspring.com) | Date: 2004-09-30 22:50:18 UTC-04:00
I wouldn't worry about it. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. Seriously. Some people probably go fishing in barrels too.
missmoon



. I've been a
member of
> this group pretty much since its inception 6 years ago and not once
> before this year has anyone ever suggested this to me regarding
any of
> my boxes.

...
> Nisa

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Re: Question about changing clues, etc.

From: gwendontoo (foxsecurity@earthlink.net) | Date: 2004-10-01 03:05:18 UTC
, in which finders are
> suggesting that I make my clues clearer/easier. Is it all about
the F count?
>
> Nisa

DON"T CHANGE A THING! I'm sure that increasing a finders F count
wasn't the reason you planted the letterbox and created the clues.
What would you do if they complained about the stamp, carve another?
The folks that wrote in the log book found the letterbox, so what is
their problem? Having historical letterboxes(1999- Wow !)is a treat!

Don


Re: [LbNA] Question about changing clues, etc.

From: MaryAnn Lockard (mizscarlet731@yahoo.com) | Date: 2004-10-01 03:29:02 UTC-07:00
---Wrting good clues is achallenge in t's self. Iv'e
got some easy to find boxes out there but hope to
plant some more difficult ones. Some times if you've
had a frustrating day with kids or a spouse who
tolerates your addiction onr might write a log note
that's a bit snippy. For finders tempted to write a
comment about the clues it might be a good idea for
them to use the contact the placer option and adress
specific concerns not just state the box was too hard.
The bottom line is it's your box.
Mizscarlet

moonfishies3 wrote:

>
> How do others feel about changing the clues of their
> boxes to increase
> their findability? What's with 'boxers suggesting
> to placers that
> they change their clues?

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Re: [LbNA] Question about changing clues, etc.

From: (GrampysGurl@aol.com) | Date: 2004-10-01 06:54:49 UTC-04:00
There are days I want easy clues, and I can say there are days I would like
harder clues. I took what I consider relatively easy clues out with me this
weekend and had a blast but wished I had also taken more with harder clues....
It was our first time out, I wasn't sure if we would be open enough to see
the markers explained in our clues and I short changed myself. It was an
incredible weekend in Connecticut and I really would have liked to have been out
there much longer then we were. I'm getting better though, when I am going to a
town now I print up all the boxes in that area and will take them with me
:o) If I don't get to them all they will go back in my misc. folder for a later
trip. I also call that town and ask for a town street map :o)

Wild Irish Rose

You've got to do your own growing, no matter how tall your grandfather was.
~ Irish Proverb


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Re: [LbNA] Re: Question about changing clues, etc.

From: Doodle & Deedle Bug (doodle_n_deedle@yahoo.com) | Date: 2004-10-01 07:22:43 UTC-07:00
Here's one more vote for "leave 'em as is." I know that when Deedle & I first started looking for boxes, we'd grumble about the clues being too cryptic to follow, but we NEVER wrote anything in the logbooks about the clues needing to be made easier (OK, granted, maybe that's because we weren't able to find some of the boxes, but on a serious note, we never write anything negative in a logbook). We'd just say, "When WE plant our boxes we'll make our clues clearer!" As we found more boxes and "learned" how to interpret clues we've grown to appreciate the strategic ways that people write things, and are writing our own clues that way, too. In my opinion, how can anyone really pass up that exhilerating "ah-ha" moment when, after grumbling about darn too-hard clues you realize that "THAT'S the tree they were talking about!!!" and that those clues weren't that tricky after all? :)

Doodle.



Suzy wrote:
Hi Nisa,

I say to keep the clues just they way they are, especially since
others have found your boxes. I feel that there are people that
just like *to find boxes* and don't enjoy the thrill of the hunt.
My family actually prefer the more challenging and Mystery boxes
(try Der Mad Stamper's or Ryan's sometime!).

Happy Letterboxing,
Big Dog 2 of The Cootie Family

> How do others feel about changing the clues of their boxes to
increase
> their findability? What's with 'boxers suggesting to placers that
> they change their clues? What about the thrill of the find?
Doesn't
> that matter anymore? Is it all about the F count?
>
> Nisa






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[LbNA] Re: Question about changing clues, etc.

From: grumpygrinchy (ffuselier@comcast.net) | Date: 2004-10-01 15:12:27 UTC
After 114 finds, one of our very favorite remains the Natomas Oaks
Letterbox in Sacramento, Ca. It took us 4 hours of searching during
3 different visits to locate this clever microbox. "Eureka"
and "AHA" barely describe the sense of exhilaration we felt when we
finally located that tiny box.

Grumpy Grinch

In my opinion, how can anyone really pass up that exhilerating "ah-
ha" moment when, after grumbling about darn too-hard clues you
realize that "THAT'S the tree they were talking about!!!" and that
those clues weren't that tricky after all? :)
>
> Doodle.
>



Re: [LbNA] Re: Question about changing clues, etc.

From: ANTHONY ZUCCO (gadzuke@flash.net) | Date: 2004-10-01 11:28:19 UTC-07:00
We agree with GrumpyGrinch....the Natomas Oaks LB is our favorite find so far. We highly recommed it.The clues were wonderful....the "AHA" was wonderful...and we went to celebrate finding it at the local cantina! We have no complaints about the "creative" clues...they make the reward sweeter for us. The way I see it....some of us are hunters (enjoying the chase) and some are collectors (enjoying the artistic quality of the stamps)....it appeals to us all for different reasons. Luckily...in our family...we have a hunter, a collector and a "hybrid"! At least someone is always happy on the trail!

-BugZ

grumpygrinchy wrote:
After 114 finds, one of our very favorite remains the Natomas Oaks
Letterbox in Sacramento, Ca. It took us 4 hours of searching during
3 different visits to locate this clever microbox. "Eureka"
and "AHA" barely describe the sense of exhilaration we felt when we
finally located that tiny box.

Grumpy Grinch

In my opinion, how can anyone really pass up that exhilerating "ah-
ha" moment when, after grumbling about darn too-hard clues you
realize that "THAT'S the tree they were talking about!!!" and that
those clues weren't that tricky after all? :)
>
> Doodle.
>



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Re: Question about changing clues, etc.

From: Lady Hydrangea Prisspott nee Hedge (lady_prisspott@yahoo.com) | Date: 2004-10-01 21:22:11 UTC
Dearest Nisha,

Absolutely, positively do not "dumb down" your clues. It is a sad fact
of life that not all of us are gifted with a superior intellect; in
fact some are quite deficient (shocking news, I'm sure). I would
suggest you send this person an extra special clue just for them
directing them to the nearest stamp store where they can spend all day
stamping pretty, easy to find stamps into their log book. Frankly her
Ladyship is appalled at the level of stupidity and short sightedness
that compels someone to write a letter complaining that ones clue is
too difficult. One would think one would be embarrassed to announce
that they are too lacking in intellectual gifts to solve a simple
riddle or follow a map. If someone isn't up to the occasional
intellectual challenge then her Ladyship must ask herself what the
devil they are doing playing this game. Keep the difficult clues rich
with literary inferences, classical allusion and pop-cultural
references for those of us who have read a book with out pictures or
can walk and chew gum for that matter. Her Ladyship's personal
favorite was the "Maturin's Diary" clue. Unfortunately after solving
the code we found that it was quite distant and her Ladyship has not
had the opportunity to actually get the stamp.

One thing her Ladyship would like to suggest for clue writers though
is that unless one is a published poet please avoid the bad rhyming
clues. Her Ladyship has read more nauseatingly bad poetry since taking
up this past time than she feels any sentient being should ever have
to endure. It's not cute, it's not clever; it's just bad. Reading
amateur poetry is like eating sushi made by an amateur sushi chef, in
either case you'll likely end up with a nasty case of reverse peristalsis.

LP



Re: [LbNA] Re: Question about changing clues, etc.

From: (DRSIL@aol.com) | Date: 2004-10-01 17:32:54 UTC-04:00
If I may be so bold where can I find the Maturin's diary clues. I am obsessed
with finishing the POB series. I have read four of them already and while
they are a difficult read I can't help myself. Working on the clues may sate my
obsession for awhile

Stewart
SCS&LP


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[LbNA] Re: Question about changing clues, etc.

From: Lady Hydrangea Prisspott nee Hedge (lady_prisspott@yahoo.com) | Date: 2004-10-01 22:18:20 UTC
It was on the LBNA site under mystery boxes (they give no indication
of where it is in the country, try a search by box name). This was a
few years ago also so it may be gone.


Re: Question about changing clues, etc.

From: moonfishies3 (moonfishies3@yahoo.com) | Date: 2004-10-01 22:23:21 UTC
--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "Lady Hydrangea Prisspott nee
Hedge" wrote:

> One thing her Ladyship would like to suggest for clue writers though
> is that unless one is a published poet please avoid the bad rhyming
> clues. Her Ladyship has read more nauseatingly bad poetry since taking
> up this past time than she feels any sentient being should ever have
> to endure.


Oh dear. I am one of those clue writers. Two of my 3 boxes have bad
rhyming clues, lol. BUT, I think poetry should be available to anyone
- nauseatingly bad or not, published poet or not. :)

Nisa


Re: [LbNA] Re: Question about changing clues, etc.

From: (GrampysGurl@aol.com) | Date: 2004-10-01 18:54:10 UTC-04:00


In a message dated 10/1/2004 6:27:07 PM Eastern Standard Time,
moonfishies3@yahoo.com writes:

Oh dear. I am one of those clue writers. Two of my 3 boxes have bad
rhyming clues, lol. BUT, I think poetry should be available to anyone
- nauseatingly bad or not, published poet or not. :)

Nisa



I like the poems myself.... good or bad.



You've got to do your own growing, no matter how tall your grandfather was.
~ Irish Proverb


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Re: Question about changing clues, etc.

From: catbead1 (libby@twcny.rr.com) | Date: 2004-10-01 23:44:29 UTC
--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "Lady Hydrangea Prisspott nee
Hedge" wrote:
>>snip
> One thing her Ladyship would like to suggest for clue writers though
> is that unless one is a published poet please avoid the bad rhyming
> clues. Her Ladyship has read more nauseatingly bad poetry since taking
> up this past time than she feels any sentient being should ever have
> to endure. It's not cute, it's not clever; it's just bad.


Well dang!

Looks like your Ladyship nailed me on this one.

My rhyme is positevly stinko....all it does is lead to my boxes. ;-)

catbead


Re: [LbNA] Re: Question about changing clues, etc.

From: (DRSIL@aol.com) | Date: 2004-10-01 19:44:52 UTC-04:00
Thanks,
I'll take a look

Bid you
Fair winds and following seas


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Re: Question about changing clues, etc.

From: moonfishies3 (moonfishies3@yahoo.com) | Date: 2004-10-02 00:32:40 UTC
--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "gwendontoo"
wrote:

> DON"T CHANGE A THING! I'm sure that increasing a finders F count
> wasn't the reason you planted the letterbox and created the clues.
> What would you do if they complained about the stamp, carve another?
> The folks that wrote in the log book found the letterbox, so what is
> their problem? Having historical letterboxes(1999- Wow !)is a treat!
>
> Don

Thanks Don and everyone else who has responded.

I don't plan on changing the clues - I did consider it initially, but
then I thought about it and thought not, but wanted to complain about
it to the list, lol. I enjoy the emails from letterboxers who've
written after locating my boxes, btw!

Anyway, my first box is still up and running - it was placed in 1998.
We actually have a 4th one up in Rye, NH but never got the clues up
and we haven't checked it in the 3.5 years since we placed it...

I'm tickled that my boxes are considered "historical", lol. Now if
only we could get back out and participate in the hobby/sport once again.

Thanks all,

Nisa